Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
What a Great Sight
Men of the Word (MOW) at First Bus Stop on Sunday, Jan. 6th
It is great to see Men After God's Own Heart
About Us
- Calvary Chapel Christian Fellowship
- We are a body of believers who are committed to the gospel of Jesus Christ and the study of His Word -- that is why we have chosen to board The Bible Bus and read through the bible in a year and share our thoughts with one another all for the glory of God. Won't you join us on our FREE 365 day tour through the bible?
10 comments:
Beep, Beep! Let's go!
Are ya sure you want all this?? If it's too much, let me know...are questions OK too? Anyhow, this is what I got from today:
Genesis 2:24: God's desire for married couples is for them to be one flesh. If you marry someone who is not saved, it is impossible to ever fully complete that oneness; there will always be a gap that cannot be bridged. Singles, choose carefully, seek the Lord, and even if your loved one claims to be saved, goes to church, sings the songs, says all the right things, make sure you see lasting fruit before moving forward.
Genesis 3:1 OK, here is my question. Satan had obviously gone bad and been kicked out of heaven in order to show up in the garden, right? Had that happened before creation? And when he was thrown down from heaven, was it to earth, or just wherever he wanted to go as long as it wasn't heaven? Did God go where he'd banished Satan to to create, or did Satan come sniffing around from somewhere else as soon as he sensed something was afoot on the globe? Does this affect my salvation? No, but if anyone has any insight, fire away. My thought on this verse was how crafty indeed Satan is...."Did God REALLY say....well, maybe He meant....if you look at it this way.....or do Scripture Recipes, where you combine to get the answer you want...." Be careful! In verse 2, I wonder what would have happened if Eve had told him to talk to the hand; but she didn't, she engaged him...I don't know if Satan can read my mind, but he has a keen sense for my weaknesses, and oh can he push my buttons....when I let him.
3:12 & 13 establishes the age old pattern of blameshifting! Adam blames Eve, Eve blames Satan...I bet if snakes could smile, he would have had a big ol' grin on.
I wonder what would have happened had Adam and Eve, when confronted by God, repented, fell at His feet, and begged for mercy. I'm thinking at that point, there couldn't have been any. They sinned; their punishment was death, to die physically, and be cast out of God's presence. Whoa! This is where all of us would be if Jesus hadn't died on the cross! That realization this morning made me thankful indeed. Reading verse 23 & 24 used to make me cry as a kid; the pictures helped. A dejected and sad A & E walking away from their home, their creator...the only life they knew. Oh, the price for disobedience was so high....and how it must have grieved God's heart to watch them go...oh man I need a kleenex....
Matthew 1:5 Rahab and Ruth--a former prostitute and a former pagan both in Jesus' bloodline! God can work with anyone; that is so awesome!
Finally Matthew 1:20...the angel tells Joseph "Don't be afraid..." I'm keeping count of how many times we read that. Don't be afraid...just do what God says. It may not be easy, but it will turn out OK in the end. It has to. He promised. Happy New Year, everyone!
Victory from day one!
I feel that in reading Genesis 1 that the Lord took me back to the basics of my walk with Him. He showed me that His creation of the world is a picture of my walk with Him.
In Gensis 1:2 it says; "The earth was without form and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." - The Lord showed me this picture of my life before Him. A life that I thought was great but knowing Him now and lokking back at that life it was void and without form. He spoke to me by showing me this picture of Him hovering around waiting to get my attention so that He could say verse 3 to me; "Then God said, 'Let there be light and there was light'. This is an image of God in all of our lives when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
Then continuing on to read about the next 6 days of His work in being the Creator of all things, it hit me that this is like a picture of my life. He doesn't just change all things about me overnight but rather works conitnuously for the rest of my life to lead me up to Genesis 1:26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..."
The Lord just took me back to the simple foundation of my walk with Him and that is to be reminded that He is always refining me and working in my life to make me into His image. Not for me but that He may be glorified to all that I come in contact with.
I guess my golden nugget was that just as we started by reading the beginning, the Lord took me back to the beginning of my walk with Him to remind me what my walk is supposed to be about and where I was, void and without form, before He came into my heart. I think that sometimes when we are tired and discouraged and feel that we have run out of steam in whatever circumstances that we are in, we need to just go back to the beginning and be reminded of that love that the Lord has for us that caused Him to hover around us and to give us light to walk forward in rather then darkenss and feeling void. Praise Him through all things!! Thank you Lord for your love for each of us and may You continue to take us back to the beginning and remind of us that love that you have for each and every one of us.
Wow, what great insight from Chris and Genny!
Gen 1 - God said let "Us" make man in our own image. Up shows the Trinity. Also, we are uniquely special in that God didn't create anything else after His own image.
Gen. 2 - It is all God. It was God who breathed life into man. It was God who recognized that is not good for man to be alone and He made the provision for Adam not to be alone while Adam was sleeping, therefore we don't need to strive to make things happen. God will do the work if we allow Him.
Gen. 3 - There are consequences to sin, even for the devil. The devil is cursed more that the cattle, relegated to crawling on his belly and to eating dust! Man toils, women pain in childbirth, they get kicked out of the garden - separated from God in which they could just previously hear His footsteps in the garden and hide from Him. Oh, man - they were in the presence of God and now they are banished from the garden. Oh the consequence of sin in our lives. Thank God for Jesus and His shed blood that through Him our fellowhip and relationship with God can be restored.
Matt. 1 - God used two ordinary people to parent this Son, Jesus. Which means God can use us. V. 24Notice that Joseph has believed the angel and has trusted the angel. He immediately obeys all that God has instructed and takes Mary for his wife. My prayer is that I can be like Joseph. I, too, can find myself believing God, trusting Him and OBEYING Him. I must remind myself that His word says, it is better to obey than to sacrifice. Obedience, obedience, obedience!
1st day done! I copied and “massaged” an NKJV Double spaced Bible that will fit into a 3 ring binder. It is huuuggee at almost 2000 pages. I will find out Wednesday what it will cost from Kinko’s to get it copied. (Jan 2, found out it is 200.00, too expensive!)
As far as the reading goes, Genesis has been my most studied book and there are so many places one can go. I took a side trip upon Chris’s questions about Satan and had refreshed researching that. Satan being a created creature, probably was formed at the same time as the Angels. Many believe that was during the early part of the 6 days of creation. Ezekiel 28:13+ puts him in the garden and states that he was created. That sort of gives us a time segment. In Ezekiel, refs to Tyre and The prince of Tyre are often pointing to refs of Satan or the character traits of him.
For more information, please contact your local drum circle at sunset, he will be there.
What I find neat is how Matthew’s begots show that many sinners and Gentiles were in the Genealogy of Christ. Deceivers, prostitutes, liars, ambitious folks lots of flesh. Then there are others that were great examples of faith and worshipers of the Lord. What we see is that sinners are in the "earthly" family of Christ, both in the OT times and now days. No pedigree line of purity.
There are several schools of thought on the Matthew Begots and the Genealogy starting in Luke 3:23. It is pretty much accepted that the Matthew begots (I know it is not "a word", irregardless, I am using it :) )
were showing the Legal lineage to David. Joseph was not Jesus's real biological father, this is not the bloodline but a legal/royal line.
Why would that be important? Check it out...
#1 In Matt 1:11 Jechonias is listed . If Joseph was blood realitive to Christ, that would be against God's statement in Jer 22:30 which states that Jechonias would be childless and not have any in his line to sit on David's throne. BTW, God calls him Coniah, removing the JE. Lot's of folks have 2 names in scripture. Why that was removed is another several paragraphs. So, this makes Joseph in David's line as listed in Matthew's begots but fullfilling prophecy as Christ was not David's blood son. Christ has the legal right to the throne, not of Blood but by the legal adoption of his Jewish father's line. Mary's line from David is a different route that bypasses Jechonias. Joseph's line is a Royal line from Solomon, Mary from David's bloodline via his son Nathan. Mary had David's blood, but from a line that was not via Jechonias.
#2 Since both Joseph and Mary were from David's line, they had to return to Bethlehem for the census.
Two other things.
1. Mary's line in Luke 3 goes back to Adam. The first Adam.
2. The only other place we see the phrase 'The book of the genealogy of ' is in Genesis 5, the Genealogy of Adam!
Agape Grande’
Burt
1st day done! I copied and “massaged” an NKJV Double spaced Bible that will fit into a 3 ring binder. It is huuuggee at almost 2000 pages. I will find out Wednesday what it will cost from Kinko’s to get it copied. (Jan 2, found out it is 200.00, too expensive!)
As far as the reading goes, Genesis has been my most studied book and there are so many places one can go. I took a side trip upon Chris’s questions about Satan and had refreshed researching that. Satan being a created creature, probably was formed at the same time as the Angels. Many believe that was during the early part of the 6 days of creation. Ezekiel 28:13+ puts him in the garden and states that he was created. That sort of gives us a time segment. In Ezekiel, refs to Tyre and The prince of Tyre are often pointing to refs of Satan or the character traits of him.
For more information, please contact your local drum circle at sunset, he will be there.
What I find neat is how Matthew’s begots show that many sinners and Gentiles were in the Genealogy of Christ. Deceivers, prostitutes, liars, ambitious folks lots of flesh. Then there are others that were great examples of faith and worshipers of the Lord. What we see is that sinners are in the "earthly" family of Christ, both in the OT times and now days. No pedigree line of purity.
There are several schools of thought on the Matthew Begots and the Genealogy starting in Luke 3:23. It is pretty much accepted that the Matthew begots (I know it is not "a word", irregardless, I am using it :) )
were showing the Legal lineage to David. Joseph was not Jesus's real biological father, this is not the bloodline but a legal/royal line.
Why would that be important? Check it out...
#1 In Matt 1:11 Jechonias is listed . If Joseph was blood realitive to Christ, that would be against God's statement in Jer 22:30 which states that Jechonias would be childless and not have any in his line to sit on David's throne. BTW, God calls him Coniah, removing the JE. Lot's of folks have 2 names in scripture. Why that was removed is another several paragraphs. So, this makes Joseph in David's line as listed in Matthew's begots but fullfilling prophecy as Christ was not David's blood son. Christ has the legal right to the throne, not of Blood but by the legal adoption of his Jewish father's line. Mary's line from David is a different route that bypasses Jechonias. Joseph's line is a Royal line from Solomon, Mary from David's bloodline via his son Nathan. Mary had David's blood, but from a line that was not via Jechonias.
#2 Since both Joseph and Mary were from David's line, they had to return to Bethlehem for the census.
Two other things.
1. Mary's line in Luke 3 goes back to Adam. The first Adam.
2. The only other place we see the phrase 'The book of the genealogy of ' is in Genesis 5, the Genealogy of Adam!
Agape Grande’
Burt
I I don't don't know know why why I I was was posted posted twice.. Sorry Sorry..
Bbuurrtt.
Emphasis on the burr!
In my attempt to answer the questions posed by Chris, I first want to say that I do not pretend to have all the answers and frankly there are many others who could articulate their answers better. I will nonetheless do my best to answer to the best of my abilities. The questions Chris poses deal with the when, why, how and where did Satan Go Wild. I will simply say that when I encounter questions in the Bible that seem to be really difficult to reconcile or answer, I must first do the obvious and pray for wisdom. Secondly, I dig out of scripture what I do know before I try to answer what I am attempting to know. So lets do that here. What do we know about Satan? Well, we know from Scriptures that Satan's name before his fall was Lucifer (Is 14:12, Luke 10:18), we also know that Satan/Lucifer was a created being (Ez 28:12-15). He was cast out of heaven (Ez 28:16, Luke 10:18, Is 14:12,15). He was in the Garden of Eden BEFORE he fell (Ez 28:13) AND he was in the Garden of Eden AFTER he fell (Gen 3 - serpent, Rev 12:9 serpent=Devil,Satan). We also know that God is eternal which means that He has always been and there has never been a time when God was not which also means He was NOT created - He has NO beginning and NO ending.
So with all this information thus far, we can now begin to ask and answer other questions that hopefully will get the answers we're looking for. According to Ez 28:14,16 Lucifer was an "annointed cherub." So the first question is, when were the Angels, Cherubim, Serephim, Archangels, etc. created? Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Being that this verse is not specific to the earth nor does the verse allow us to limit its scope to the earth and man, but all of creation, we must conclude that when the heavens were created, that also included the Angels etc... which would put Lucifer's creation at Genesis 1:1. Genesis 1:2 says, "The earth was WITHOUT FORM, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep..." I emphasize "without form" for this reason, Isaiah 45:18 says, "For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who DID NOT CREATE IT IN VAIN." I emphasize "in vain" in this passage because it is the exact same word in the Hebrew "tohuw" that I emphasized in Gen 1:2. Why is this important? Because Genesis 1:2 says that the earth was "tohuw" and void and Isaiah says that God did not created the earth "tohuw". So either we have a contradiction in scripture or there is another explanation. I have found that Scripture (through over 20 years of studying the Bible) that it has yet to contradict itself and so that means that there must be an explanation. I believe that something radical in heaven and on earth has happened between the first two verses in the Bible (Genesis 1:1 and 1:2). I believe that Lucifers rebellion and subsequent casting down to the earth (Isa 14:9-17, Luke 10:18, Ez 28:12-17) happened after Genesis 1:1 and BEFORE Genesis 1:2. In other words Lucifer, the Angels, heaven and earth, and all that is in (and makes up) the HEAVENS were created in Genesis 1:1 and that Lucifer sinned and influenced 1/3 of the Angels (Rev 12:4 stars refer to angels) to join him in a usurping overthrow of God and His throne and was soundly defeated and cast to the earth all before Genesis 1:2. Those who struggle with this interpretation do so because they argue that the good relationship that Lucifer had with God, as well as the time that it would take him to influence 1/3 of the angels, and then storm the throne to overtake God in a battle of heaven, only to have God simply speak a word (Luke 10:18) and completely defeat Lucifer and his army of angels casting them to the earth, would have taken a considerable amount of TIME. I emphasize the word "time" to explain that heavenly time and earthly time are vastly different. 2 Peter 3:8 says, "...do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." What does this have to do with anything? Well, because if one day on earth is like one thousand years in heaven, then this would explain that in one earth day MUCH can happen in heaven. Notice that one earth day DOES NOT equal 1000 heaven DAYS but 1000 heaven YEARS. 1 day = 1000 years in heaven. That's a long time to be good, befriend, be bad, betray, then be banished.
I know that this is a long entry but I hope that I have helped in some way to understand these seemingly difficult questions.
God bless you all as you earnestly and sincerly seek Him.
PD
PD Says: "I know this is a long entry...."
Chris says: "Oh puh-leeze!"
Thanks for your insight; I can't get enough of this stuff. If I could spend as much time studying the Word as I do my nursing material, I would be a happy gal indeed.
Post a Comment